On the second amendment

However, the constitution has been changed before. The framers pretty clearly said that they wanted people to have guns so they could defend the country. Defending the country was the reason that the right was explicitly stated. They didn't anticipate that we'd go on murdering sprees. Perhaps if they did anticipate that, they would have changed the language, but they anticipated that they wouldn't anticipate everything, so they left a mechanism for the constitution to be amended.
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Adam Jankowski Mass murders are as old as every building in the US.
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Derek Dwilson Check out the Bible. Way older than America. Tons of mass murders.
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Derek Dwilson Also, way before guns.
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Richard Smiley You misunderstand my argument, sir. I said that shooting lots of people at once with guns was not a thing that occurred to the founding fathers to be concerned with when writing the constitution. Also, name some mass murders in the bible.
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Derek Dwilson Adam said mass murders are as old as every building, and you said wrong. So it was easy to misunderstand. But I fail to see how the type of weapon makes a difference. The founders were well aware of what humans are capable of. It’s nothing new.

And you don’t have to go far in the Bible to get to your first mass murder. https://www.google.com/.../%3fsearch=Genesis+34&version...
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Richard Smiley That's a good story. And right in the first book! Yeah, mass slaughters happen, but not by one person. Guns make it a whole lot easier.
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Derek Dwilson Also cars. But guns makes it easier to stop them in their tracks.
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Richard Smiley Yeah, I'm not saying that mass murder wasn't possible before...just that it was a whole lot harder and hence wasn't as much of an issue.
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Derek Dwilson I understand what you’re saying. My reading of history has led me to the opposite conclusion. I think mass murders have always been an issue, and we are really in the most peaceful and safe times in the history of man. Many of the root causes have been fixed, but the underlying causes of the ones we still have are biological, and it will be a long time yet before we evolve or naturally select that part away.
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Richard Smiley Derek Dwilson Safe, maybe, but peaceful, most assuredly not! But I'm probably reading "peaceful" differently from you. To me peaceful means tranquil and serene...literally full of peace. We are anxious and jumpy and quite frankly a mess. We're so complicated that nothing works out how we think it will. The level of our interconnection makes the whole system chaotic.

And to that, I think that "it didn't used to be this way" is true. Mistakes were localized before. Now they're amplified and echoed across society.

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